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Elance vs Odesk

A lot of people ask me what the difference between Elance and Odesk is. After all, the two sites are the largest online freelance marketplaces you’ll find. There are a few others that are worth looking into, like Vworker, but once you get beyond that, the number of listings on the sites drops quite dramatically. As a freelancer, lots of listings are your friend -even if most of them don’t pan out. You don’t want to have to sign up for a bunch of different sites in order to get just a few extra clients.

With this in mind, I’ve decided to do a series on all of the different freelance websites, what’s good about them and what’s not so good about them. All of this is based on my experience working on each site, as well as a bit of research I’ve done on the side. Each site has its own strengths and weaknesses, largely based on the separate visions of their CEOs and management teams. Here’s what I’ve discovered.

What Odesk is trying to be.

In case you haven’t noticed, Odesk is the largest online freelance marketplace. To even say that they are a place for mere “freelancers” alone is a bit of a misnomer because I think they want to break free of that mold. I would say they’re trying to reinvent work as we know it. In the past, we called that freelancing. Perhaps we’ll continue to call it that in the future, but I don’t think the team at Odesk wants it to be limited to that.

Odesk grew to its size because it was the first of the online freelance marketplaces to successfully implement a pay for time worked feature. For many years, that was their unique selling point. Their motto was “an hour worked is an hour paid,” and it contrasted greatly with the fixed price projects you’d see on sites like RentACoder.com (now Vworker) and Elance.

Over the years, both Elance and Vworker built their work-for-time features in order to compete with Odesk. The idea was ripe for the times, but Odesk made sure to take full advantage of it while it was their primary selling point.

The key advantage of a work-for-time scheme is the ability to do virtually what most managers do in the office. They can hire a virtual team to handle whatever tasks they delegate, and they can do it in a secure way. If a manager wants to wean an employee onto the team, he or she can limit the amount of hours that person is allowed to work. Once the employee has demonstrated competency, the manager can increase that person’s hours.

Odesk’s goal is to make it easy to create virtual teams. For the most part, that goal hasn’t changed over the years, and it reflects quite strongly in the types of jobs you’re likely to find on Odesk. In my experience, nearly all of my Odesk jobs have been hourly. I join a team and get paid the hourly rate that I request. I have done a few fixed price jobs on Odesk, but they are few and far between.

The one thing I like about Odesk is that they seem to have built a better referral engine. That is to the say, the clients who are referred to me through Odesk tend to be pretty decent. I sometimes get a few bad eggs, but that’s usually better than searching through a bunch of project listings trying to find what I’m looking for.

By the way, there’s one thing you can do to stop the bad referrals from coming through. Just make your payment terms and minimum project size very clear at the top of your Odesk profile. Mine are in all-caps, and I give a strongly worded rationale for what I charge. If you do the same, you’ll get clients who understand what you expect from them.

The one thing I don’t like about Odesk is searching through the listings. It’s hard to separate the good ones from the bad ones, and once you’ve entered a bid, it takes you right back to page one. I’ve found myself going through numerous pages over and over again just to pick up where I left off. The listing section could use a site redesign for added simplicity.

What Elance is trying to be.

Elance started off as the premier place for online freelancers. They offer an hourly option as well, but it’s not as emphasized as it is on Odesk. The Elance site design evokes a more upper crust sort of feeling. This was more of a selling point in the early days of Elance, but it now appears as though the site wants to grow to be the size of Odesk.

One thing I really used to love about Elance was their enforced minimum project size for a fixed price project. They used to set it at $50, and it served to weed out a lot of bad listings. I also like that, as a freelance writer, Elance acknowledged that there’s a time cost to going after the smaller fish, and we deserve to be compensated for it (o.k. maybe that’s me putting words in their mouths, but it was nice).

Sadly, that $50 minimum is gone. I think it’s largely because Elance wants to expand, and they know they simply need more listings in order to do so. Some people are willing to go after those super small projects too, especially when it’s their first fish. It’s a double edged sword because Elance and Odesk end up annoying the crap out the more experienced freelancers who have a hard time finding what they want in an increasingly crowded sea of projects.

Hopefully, a better referral system will help both Elance and Odesk. I’ve gotten a few good referrals through Elance, but because there are less projects on the site overall, I tend not to get as many. I still find it valuable to go through listings on Elance when I’m running low on work. Elance’s site design is better for this process than Odesk’s site design.

Recently, Elance appears to be making more news on the technological front. They’ve appeared on several news channels to talk about the state of online freelancing (at one point mentioning my friend Ben Gran). Fabio Rosati, their CEO, talked about connecting Elance workers to telepresence robots to do jobs that might only require someone’s presence for a few hours. A person in Illinois could logon to Elance and hop into a robot (just like Avatar) to be the office receptionist. Pretty cool when you think about it.

Elance vs Odesk. Which should you choose?

It ultimately depends on how you prefer to work. If you prefer to clock in and work on an hourly basis, Odesk is the better choice. If you prefer to work more like a freelancer and take some risks on fixed price projects, you’ll find some good ones on Elance. I should also mention that Elance uses escrow, and Odesk currently does not. Escrow protects you from the clients who take a while to pay. They have to fund the project before Elance will allow it to begin.

Over the long run, you should have profiles on all of the freelance sites. Don’t just pick one. I spend more time looking through listings on Elance, but I get a lot of referrals through Odesk. To do well, you need to be everywhere.

I’d like to end by saying your online freelancing career doesn’t stop at Elance and Odesk. There are lot of other opportunities out there, and one of the best ways to get them is to start building your own website (just like this one). When you create content that targets the right keywords for your industry niche, clients will come to you on your terms. This is much better than getting clients through Elance and Odesk because you don’t have to pay any commission. The sale is 100% yours.

The Neverending Wave Of Tim Ferriss Wannabees

Allow me to preface this with a true statement. I am very much like Tim Ferriss. There are many things he says that I agree with (whether or not he’s actually the first person to have said them). In many ways, I live my life like he does. I have total control over my time, and I use it to pursue things I’m passionate about outside of my “work.”

No, my issue is not with Tim Ferriss per se. It’s with the culture of raving idiots he has left in his wake. Hordes and hordes of spam creating minions have now become a daily reality for freelancers like myself.

The Dawn Of The Tim Ferriss Spawn…

How did all of this get started? It was a suggestion Tim Ferriss made in his bestseller, the Four Hour Work Week. He said it was a good idea to use Elance to find freelancers on a level of competence slightly higher than, say, monkeys with typewriters. Basically, if you want to promote your online health supplement business (nothing sketchy in the slightest by the way), your best bet is to hire an SEO article writer off of Elance for $10-15 per hour, $30 per hour if you’re really going for a good one.

And so the masses have responded in droves. They became “entrepreneurs,” inventing “products” and hiring SEO article writers to market those “products” through the search engines. There were those who so brazenly declared in their job postings that they were searching for a writer with a style like Tim Ferriss. From a distance, you could smell the suck-upery. Sometimes, when the air was right, I could detect a faint hint of douchebagery as well.

Here’s the crazy thing. Tim Ferriss did not achieve his success through merely delegating all of his tasks. He’s a pretty smart guy. When it comes to writing, it seems as though he prefers to do it himself. He wrote the Four Hour Work Week in his own time, all with his own words. Why did he do it when he could have been sipping martinis on a beach? Maybe he didn’t call it “work.” Much in the same way I don’t call snowboarding “work,” even though I’m doing double flips and corked things with grabs. Stuff kids are throwing in competitions.

All the same, there are now a bunch of chickens running around with their heads cut off. They’ve taken Tim’s message and interpreted it as a reason to hire out everything you do. It’s this crazy notion that you should delegate any and all possible tasks because any task is just anathema to you and your ability to live your life. A lot of people, especially the ones who troll the bidding sites, have taken this awful message to heart.

The More Than Four Hour Aftermath.

The good freelancers, the ones who want to make a decent living doing it, are left to wade through all the waste left behind by Tim’s little army. They create posts saying “article writer needed. 500 articles on weight loss.” or “200 SEO articles to market my internet marketing ebook product.” (Remember, one of the easiest commodities to sell, as Tim Ferriss suggests, is information. You just need to make up a bunch of facts and then spam every freelance site on the web to do it.)

If you’re using content marketing to sell a product, your blog should be more than some halfbaked attempt to score high for keywords. Don’t get me wrong. Keywords are important too. It’s certainly something I do and have done to get traffic and leads (my post entitled Elance Scam is among my most read). But here’s the difference between Tim and myself. I actually enjoy writing this stuff. I don’t need to delegate it out because I really like hearing the sound of my own voice. I think you should be this self-absorbed too. It’s highly rewarding.

Why should you hire a writer? I would hire a writer for the same reason I would hire a plumber. I don’t know what the hell I’m doing when it comes to pipes and water and turds. If you have the slightest inclination towards marketing and writing, by all means do it yourself. And if you can’t do it yourself, find someone who has a unique voice that’s ideal for your brand -not someone who can simply churn out dozens of articles for next to nothing.

Tim Ferriss, I respect that you’ve managed to free yourself from cubicle life. I do not, however, respect how you got there. Now that everyone wants to be just like you, they’re acting more like caricatures than the real thing. The real Tim Ferriss writes his own stuff. You know that.

Your stupid little army is pissing me off.

How To Bid Like A Maniac

As you’re aware, I really dislike bidding on freelance projects. The process just takes too much time. It’s very easy to get absorbed in it, and before you know it, you’ve wasted an entire day doing nothing but looking through potential job opportunities. That’s why I’ve made a habit of bidding like a maniac as of late. There’s a certain kind of bidding instinct that comes out – I’ve fine tuned my approach and finally learned how to smell the good projects a mile away. Now I casually glance at the screen looking for all the key indicators of goodness before I continue on.

How Much Time Should You Spend On Bidding?

If you get really really good at it, you should do all of your bidding for the entire week within the span of just a few hours. I know that sounds crazy, but you’re looking through a huge pile of rejects here. The good ones will make themselves known with experience, and you’ll go right for them. I have a basic list of things I look for in a project listing, but it’s really an overall impression that strikes me. I could list all of the qualities of a good project. I just don’t think it would really help anyone. Each project is unique in its own way.

If there is one quality I’m looking for, it’s this mysterious sense I get that I can make somewhere near $100/hr on the job. Now I know you’re going to say I’m some kind of crazy extortionist, but hear me out. It makes total sense to go for $100/hr on every job. There’s a few good reasons for it.

1.) They aren’t paying your health insurance.
2.) You have to spend time prospecting.
3.) They aren’t paying your social security.

These costs add up. $100/hr needs to be the start of any negotiation. Sure, you can probably go down a little bit, but you aren’t being properly respected as an employee unless you’re making something near this amount. Now it would be different if the client were your only client, and he or she could give you enough work for an entire year. It would be different if they were paying your health insurance. It would be really really different if they could all pay their invoices early and on time. Sadly, our world does not work this way. $100/hr is your buffer. That’s the mysterious property you need to search for.

I also know that I realistically only have about 4 billable hours each day. That’s how most people operate too. Only a few of us can focus that much for hours and hours on end. If I’m not making somewhere near $100/hr for those billable hours, I’m selling myself short. I spend a lot of time working every day, it’s just that it’s not all billable time. It’s time spent on emails, pitches, and searching for new work.

I’m always on the lookout for the $100/hr potential. It means the client is serious.

What The Ideal Project Looks Like

The ideal project is a small fixed price project somewhere in the range of a few hundred dollars. It’s relatively small because the client isn’t an extortionist. It’s got a decent sized budget for what it is. It’s like a little nibble and usually nothing more. These types of jobs, in my experience, have always paid out the best.

The ideal job tends not to require a lot of research. It’s a short copywriting project. The big research projects tend not to have a big enough budget allocated to the research time itself. Somehow, to many clients, our thinking time doesn’t seem to have as much value as our writing time. I take it we’re being hired because of our brains, so I value it all equally. Skype, emails, thinking, writing – it’s all the same to me. It should be the same to you as well. Charge for all of it.

Be sure to be the first one to name the number too. That’s why I never bid on projects with a stated number that’s below my pay threshold. They’ve already thrown out the first number! The entire negotiation has been determined because they’ve set the context. Why even bother with that? You can’t win. The game has been defined so as to make winning impossible.

I’ve had clients tell me that freelancing should not be a lifestyle choice. Fair enough, but at the end of the day it all comes down to money. Some of them can afford your rates. Others can’t. That’s why you need to be the best. It means you’ll land the best gigs. You’ll get your rates because literally nobody can step in and do the job with the same presence and style.

So bid like a maniac! Look for that golden $100 per hour potential. You deserve it! Your kids deserve it! You are good enough, smart enough, and doggone it, people like you!

Don’t Accept Anything Less Than $50!

How much is a project worth? It’s a problem I see freelancers struggling with all the time. They simply don’t know what to charge. They have a vague idea of their own worth, but when it comes to asking for the prices they want, they often find it difficult to justify their rates to their customers. In the end, it’s a downward spiral. Writers either go out of business, or they have to take up some other kind of work on the side.

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Elance SCAM!!!

Is Elance a scam? Hold that thought. Let me ask another, equally relevant question. Is Ebay a scam? Even though a lot of scams take place on Ebay, almost nobody would answer that question in the affirmative. Why? Because we recognize Ebay as a marketplace where the individuals themselves are responsible for whatever happens to them in the buying and selling of goods.

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Well, it looks like Elance is hosting another video contest This time, they want to know how online work has changed my life. As you are all probably aware, I was working some pretty boring day-to-day jobs before I launched my online writing career on Elance. Read more…

Before you can build your provider profile on Elance, you need to take the Elance admission test. This involves answering a few common sense questions about Elance and their terms of service. You’ve arrived here because you want to find the Elance test answers. That’s all well and good, but honestly, the test is pretty easy. Trust your gut, and you’ll probably come out on top.

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I’ll let you in a on a little secret. The day I decided I could manage more than one freelance project at once is the day my business truly took off. With this realization, I was no longer afraid to bid on as many freelance projects as possible, knowing that I could handle the work if it came to it. So, can you really take on more than 5 Elance clients at once? How about 10? It all depends on your work ethic. I’ll show you how.

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If there’s one thing I don’t like, it’s doing a bunch of work to get a new Elance client, only to never hear from that client again. Sometimes it feels like I’m trying to hold onto tiny grains of sand that keep slipping through my fingers. But over the years, I’ve learned a few things that keep my clients coming back for more. That way, I can focus on actually doing the work instead of hunting down new clients and trying to earn their trust.

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As some of you may already be aware, I’m a pretty enthusiastic supporter of Elance. I think they have a great platform to allow freelancers like me to live wherever I want to live and setup a schedule that allows me to shred day in and day out. Granted, I occasionally get annoyed with buyers who want people to write for pennies, and it bothers me that there are so many people hucking bogus products, but I’ve found some great clients on Elance who pay me quite well.

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I'm Ted, a snowboarder by day and copywriter by night.